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It could be worse . I have friends with no home , no electric and no food for days at a time .  It's was so bad for them they didn't even realize it got bad for a lot more people .  These new victims of a tough economy are not use to having there water and power and satellites cut off.  Life seems rough for many now wondering how bills will be paid and what the future might hold . It will get worse before it gets better and the ones not use to this already will be hardest hit. I use this motto in my life , ' prepare for the worst and hope for the best  ."  Our area is in dire straights . We need jobs here now and all over the US . 

Going down hill fast!

rome21 says ...

I firmly believe that all of the bailout money that is being thrown around should have been divided between all U.S. citizens age 18 and older. That would have helped the economy, the car companies would be selling cars, houses would be bought or paid for, insurance would be needed, etc... 

did you do the math?  how much would each person get?  take one and a half trillion dollars -the amount for tarp- and divide it up by 200 million people (a guess for the # over 18) = $7500.00  not a small amount and would certainly help the economy to a degree, but the point of the bailout was immediate and necessary.  People spending $7500 wouldn't have saved any of the banks nor would it save any of the automakers.

Obama Lied

and the

Country Died

This is the underhanded crap that drives me nuts:

Whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know....



Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed yesterday, behind our backs. You may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news... just went by on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.



Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA . This is the news that didn't make the headlines...



By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and "conflict victims" in Gaza .



The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States , was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.



Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.



Let's review...itemized list of some of Barack Obama's most recent actions since his inauguration:



His first call to any head of state, as president, was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.



His first one-on-one television interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.



His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here within the U. S. , but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds.



He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.



He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.



He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and the "terror attack" on 9/11.



Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.



These important, and insightful, issues are being "lost" in the blinding bail-outs and "stimulation" packages.



Doubtful? To verify this for yourself: www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

sandy2501 says ...

This is the underhanded crap that drives me nuts:

 

Whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know....



Something happened... H.R. 1388 was passed yesterday, behind our backs. You may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news... just went by on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.



Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA . This is the news that didn't make the headlines...



By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and "conflict victims" in Gaza .



The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States , was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.



Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.



Let's review...itemized list of some of Barack Obama's most recent actions since his inauguration:



His first call to any head of state, as president, was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.



His first one-on-one television interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.



His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here within the U. S. , but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds.



He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.



He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.



He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and the "terror attack" on 9/11.



Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.



These important, and insightful, issues are being "lost" in the blinding bail-outs and "stimulation" packages.



Doubtful? To verify this for yourself: www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488

If we really want to get technical about this.... He didn't make any new "rules,laws" and it's no different than when Clinton did this for Nepal and the Balkins in 01 or 02... can't remember. I also beleive it's less money than Clinton allowed for the program as well. Presidents do this all the dang time for many places that have refugees and some huge horrid loss of life. The only problem with it is they are in the middle east and this is Obama ... so everyone obviously want's to think there is some huge terror plot behind the scenes. I understand where you are comming from sandy2501 and I respect it. I have lots of cross feeling as well about many things to do with this subject, but they have nothing to do with Obama. He didn't create the program he just signed his name to the paper... just like every other president before him since the act was created in 62 or so......

Ok I had to look it up to make sure I was not talking out my arse :) It was Nepal and the Balkins :) and Obama signed the paper with almost 2 million less than what Clinton did did it for... He was in the 22mill and some change.

You know when Clinton or Bush <---- don't remember what one signed that huge 55 or 65 million aid bill to Africa you didn't hear this much racket...... Personally I'm sorry that all these bad things are going on in the world, but I really think we need to start looking inwards to our own well being and worring less about everyone else. When there are new school books in EVERY classroom in the US and no people living on the streets then maybe we could start to help everyone else. Oh and before anyone thinks I'm racist or something becasue I mentioned the aid bill to Africa... I used it as an example of waisted money....... anything less than billions or trillions of dollars to that country is like pissing in the wind. Sure it's fun and all... but your legs are going to get wet and you still have a problem. Hell that same year Bill Gates gave tons more than the US did.....

Edit......

I forgot to mention that the bill was the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962........ It was not done "behind our backs" just done the way it has been done.

Edit........ once again I forget to put something...... tooo tired must sleep :)  Here is the US Code for those that are interested

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/22/2601.html

Trillions and Trillions of dollars in debt.  i heard a news person say that if someone born in the time around 0 B.C. were to spend a million dollars a day from the time of jesus's birth until today they still would not have spent close to what our new debt is.   somewhere John McCain is saying "i told ya so!" right about now,,,LOL!  

Better watch out Ravenfirefighter and firerescue817 your opinions will get you labeled as an ignorant fool...Apparently giving away 1.5 billion dollars to failing companies wasn't a knee jerk reaction. Being against it is.

Oh and by the way damnthing the figure for the average income came from the U.S. Census Bureaus website and according to you the Government is never wrong...

And one more thing damnthing yes I do make less than the average income but what the hell I only work in health care lets give more money to the auto industry and not worry about putting it where it can make a difference.

Ok everyone......Take a moment... Grab a nice glass of tea or coffee.....and relax........ Now gather our senses and behave the way we are suppose to :) I think everyone is just a wee bit on the defensive and maybe a little too quick to react... Myself included.....

The country is doing much better thanks to the measured intelligence and leadership of the current administration.  The cronyism and greed that caused this failure will take a while to untangle but we are making progress in the right direction.

Doesn't matter. He and his friend will defend Osama to the end, no matter how hilarious it is. You're wasting your breath. Just know the rest of the world agrees with you MSC.

EMTDave says ...

The country is doing much better thanks to the measured intelligence and leadership of the current administration.  The cronyism and greed that caused this failure will take a while to untangle but we are making progress in the right direction.

Is that the same measured intelligence and leadership that cut the AFG...?

Unfortunately the Administration proposes funding the popular FIRE grant program at only $170 million - a cut of nearly 70% from Fiscal Year 2009. The program, which received $3.2 billion in requests in Fiscal Year 2008, provides funding for critical equipment, training, and apparatus directly to local fire departments. The program also provides grants for fire prevention and safety programs and firefighter health and safety research.

The way to stimulate the Economy is to provide High Quality apparatus and equipment to local responders who can't afford it  - It creates jobs, increases essential emergency infrastructure, raises taxable wages, improves Firefighter safety, improves the well being of the citizens, and increases a more effective and efficient emergency response. 

LMAO, I guess you told us.  Wow, so it's the entire population that is stupid. I had it backwards.  Thanks for straightening us all out.

jsim says ...

Yawn!  

 One need only watch the news to see the truth here. Printing money that the gold doesn't exist for is really helping the economy.

"NEXT"

 

One needs to read or watch some educational TV before preaching the truth. The gold standard ended in the early 70's. Today's "money" is Fiat money……. It only holds value because the government says it does and accepts it as currency to pay debt and taxes. I think the largest reason people get confused about this is the fact that the US dollar is a reserve currency. For some reason people believe this means that there is a reserve of “gold/silver” to back that dollar. Where a reserve currency is actually one that is held in large quantities for foreign exchange reserves and helps set the international standards for currency pricing and global trading.





The US dollar has not been “worth” the very expensive paper it’s written on for an extremely long time. The quandary that our economy is in did not happen overnight nor did it dramatically or drastically change for good or bad when Obama took over office. We have been going downhill for years. We will continue to go downhill for a while and it WILL get worse before it gets any better. Previous administrations are just as much at fault with our problems as the current one.  In my opinion the problem rests firmly in the “credit” and “oil” markets. They are all excessively greedy and will toss around subprime loans and trade them off whilly nilly at the drop of a hat. They amass debts to a point to where they are totally unmanageable and then want help when their monster rears its ugly head on them.





Credit companies/banks while under some “control” have had pretty much free reign for way too long. They feed off the poor and uneducated and don’t stop till they are destitute and broke down. Now with the new bills passing in DC they are really going to get medieval. For instance I have super credit and barely hold even 1% of my credit in debt. I have never been late with a payment nor have I had any problems. Almost every card I have has rates in the single digits IE: 5-7%. Many of them have limits well above 10K. I get a letter in the mail from a card holder the other day that tells me my rate for this particular card is now 17.9%. Totally out of the blue and no reason behind it. I called and asked and they told me this was going to happen to all their card holders…. That was an increase of 11.9% for someone that has NO credit problems. Imagine the poor guy going from check to check with debt rolling out of his ears because he lost his job and his kids need to eat. This system has gone beyond acceptable and it has nothing to do with the administration, but it does have a lot to do with us accepting it. If we all stopped using credit cards and just relied on cash they would hurt something awful.





As for the oil issue … I think we all know the issue here. Same thing goes with this problem. If we lower the use and start finding other ways to propel ourselves we may move forward much better.