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Poll: Should High Schools Teach Firefighting?
Poll: Should Kids Study Firefighting?
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Posted 7 months ago In Kansas students are taking firefighting classes. Does anyone across America know of any other programs like this? Do you think it is a good idea? If so, will you call and suggest that your local school district follow suit/ send them this article? http://firelink.monster.com/news/articles/6940-high-school-heats-up-wit... |
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| Posted 7 months ago Here in IN there are two high schools that I know of offering fire classes. One is in Greenwood, IN @ centeral Nine Career Center, the other is Ben Davis High School. There might be a third on the north side of Indy @ the J. Everret Light Career Center, but I personally am not sure of that one. |
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| Posted 7 months ago i live and work in Fl. and we have teens come to our station as interns of sorts its a fun time because we train them and in return we get to do more train which only helps everyone in the long run great program! |
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| Posted 7 months ago here in bucks county,pa., the middle bucks institute of technology teaches emergency services as well as fire classes. now, i don't know how deep they go into the fire class as it was added to the curriculum after i graduated. but i do know kids ( high school) can obtain emt certs. the school also is open to adults, but 98% of the students enrolled are high school students. i personally feel it is a good idea. nationally, volunteers are down... way down from the 80's and 90's. if the kids finish the class, it may give them the opportunity to persue a career in the volloy service. if not, they have the option to go to a paid dept. on the other had, kids sometimes have alterior motives for learning these things (most do not). i think it may give them too much info to get into trouble. but all in all, i think it's a good idea. CAPT. SHAUN MCNALLY
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| Posted 7 months ago I too live and work in Florida, and as Zmanus1 said, we also have the teens at our station. The Explorers are nice too have on scene, as they stay in the yellow zone, and assist with airpacks, water, and support. We also do 'drills' where they have to don gear, and go thru the motions. Once they turn 18, they can take the state exams, and be ready to go. It's kind of like having an experienced rookie. I think it's great, and wish they had it when I was in High school. |
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| Posted 7 months ago I do not think teaching firefighting techniques have a place in our schools. There are more pressing issues than that. Trust me, my wife is a teacher here in Florida and it is a struggle to teach them the simple rules of language much less some firefighting topics. However, the Explorer program is something I wholeheartedly support. I started as an explorer in high school and was able to do ride time with Metro-Dade Fire rescue each month. This solidified my desire to go into the field. Now, the Explorers get bonus points when they are old enough to apply for firefighter full time. |
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| Posted 7 months ago I started as a cadet with a fire department in Illinois, you were eligible to join as a Junior in high school and it was set up as a work study between the FD and the school so we left school at Noon and went to the fire dept until pm. Monday thru Friday. Recieving creits and grades for the time we spent there. Ed Excellence can be attained if you - care more than others think is wise - risk more than others think is safe - dream more than others think is practical - and expect more than others think is possible. - Anonymous |
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| Posted 7 months ago I think that teaching Firefighting classes in High School would be great, at least in my community. I am on a combination paid/volunteer dept. We have an Explorer post, but we are limited on the amount of time and training we are able to give them. If we could get Explorers that are taking these classes in High School, graduating with FF2 and EMT-Basic, they could easily volunteer for the department while looking to get hired on either our dept or another of their choosing. I would love to have a strong, educated group of Explorers turn into volunteers, and I'm sure my community would too. |
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| Posted 7 months ago Seems like a good idea to me. The largest room is the room for self improvement |
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| Posted 7 months ago I think it's a wonderful idea. I wish I'd had the opportunity to do something like that. The measure of life, after all, is not its duration, but its donation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| Posted 7 months ago Abs says ...
Me too. The largest room is the room for self improvement |
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| Posted 7 months ago Good idea, hopefully they will mature enough by the time they are ready to get certified |
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| Posted 7 months ago In my neck of the woods our VO-TECH offers a firefighting class. Not sure of what kind but one to help in this chosen profession. I think this is a good idea. I think they should get to fight fire in a school that has gas fed fires. You can be taught the way fire burns, travels and reacts with certain combustables. Start them off young. |
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| Posted 7 months ago Here in the Los Angeles area, the LA School District has partnered with a local college to offer students a fire science program. From what I know of the program, there have been a lot of success stories with regards to it helping to keep kids out of gangs and off of drugs. As well as giving them a good knowledge of firefighting techniques, it teaches the kids discipline. From what I've heard, many of the graduates even come back to volunteer to help with the new students, and many of them go on to further their education and apply for jobs in the fire service. I think that it is awesome that it's making a difference in the lives of these kids, as it is giving them the opportunity to be involved in something that they might not have otherwise been exposed to or had an interest in. |
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| Posted 7 months ago I think the three R's are a bit more important. There's plenty of time to learn firefighting. Our students are lacking all over the country. We need more high end students, engineers, researchers, Doctors. Our country will be doomed if were all bluecolar types. Have you seen who's the top students in most schools around the country?? I know it's different all over, and please don't get me wrong. But on most large city career depts, The new red-ass who comes on the job and talks about his Asso of F/S degree mostly gets laugh at. They come in with the I know it all attitude. We find that On the Job training works best. I again understand the work load is not the same as it was and is different. and the quest to follow ones dreams should never stop.
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| Posted 6 months ago I think that it would be a great idea. I wish we had something like that around here. I think however that it should be limited to juniors or seniors in high school and be an elective kind of like sports. If you keep the grades to stay then fine but if they drop below a certain point then the would be out of the program. That way the program would not get in the way of a students grades. I would like to find more information on this explorers program some of you were talking about and or the junior firefighter program. We are trying to get more information on this for our firehouse. |
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| Posted 6 months ago No not just firefighting but some exposure to all different kinds of trades where they can learn how, what they are learning now can help them in future trades. Let them learn why they need to learn math and spelling , reading and writing well. That way they will see the benefits of a solid education can help them achieve careers that are available and desirable when there ready to hit the job market. |
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| Posted 6 months ago it makes me madd. I grew up in Wichita Kansas were that artical is about. they did not offer that when I went to scool 14 years ago. if they did I probly would of got strat AAAAAAAAAAA,s in school. lol |
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| Posted 6 months ago Any idea that will teach kids to be a better person, establish a career, stay out of trouble I am all for. If we had a few more of these programs available I think we would see a big change in the amount of high school dropouts. Explorers programs all the way! |
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| Posted 6 months ago in all honesty. I dont want to seem like an a** but they didnt offer it to me in high school...I am having to pay for all my training so IN MY OPINION high school students should NOT be permitted to be able to take it.
They dont have to take a firefighting class to become a better person or stay out of trouble. There are plenty of other extra cirriculars they can do to do that. I dont know how a high school would be able to pay for the insurance for the program in case a student got hurt or even killed for that matter. Then how is all this gonna reflect back onto everything? "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts" - Winston Churchill |
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| Posted 6 months ago I think that Vocational Job Training is a fantastic idea. While every high school can't offer these types of Firefighter courses, maybe an area vocational technical school could. It put students closer to a real job in the real world. I can think of a number of careers that might be included in a high school and/or community college vocational technical school. Nursing, Welding, Machine Shop, Drafting, Electrical, Plumbing, Police Science, Dispatch Emergency Communications, EMS, and Health Care Providers to name a few. I do like the idea of getting a jump start on their college courses as the article explains a semester or two before they leave for college to further their education. Eddie D. Howard
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| Posted 6 months ago The department I got my feet wet in back in the mid 80's had "Fire Science" as an elective class. However, it was definitely a different time back then. I joined when I was 16 and the "Junior" membership was pretty much all our community had during the daytime hours and our fire chief was a teniored teacher at the high school. We actually parked our cars at the fire station in the morning and drove the units to school and were the primary response during school hours. There were no OSHA restrictions back then, we did the job because we wanted to - from full extrication to making entry into structure fires. The department brotherhood became a very important part of my life and kept me focused and out of trouble. It was considedered by the school as an extracurricular activity, so we had to maintain the minimum grade levels, just like the sports teams. Times have changed, but I agree - I think it would be a great addition to any vocational training programs at the high school level. Hey JW - I don't mean to seem like an a** - but aren't you being a bit selfish? Like it or not, our profession is looked to for mentorship of our young kids out there - why wouldn't you want to see programs in place to help them succeed instead of getting into things they shouldn't? Just my .02 cents. Ross Caston
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| Posted 6 months ago One of our high schools has this and it works great we have 3 Jr. Firefighters in it. I wish they would have had it when i was a Jr. Capt. J. Hoisington |
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| Posted 6 months ago In the area I live in, we have 4 high schools from 4 different cities that combine their voccational classes with the rest of the schools in the district. And between the 4 schools we had Masonry/Building Trades (which I took), Cosmetology, Carpentry, Chef Preperation and Management, Sports Med, a combined class that taught the basics of police/fire classes but not enough to get you a job, Auto Tech and a few others I cant remember off the top of my head.
But in my opinion...to have strictly a Firefighting class at the High School level would be risky business. I dont believe that high school kids are mature enough for such a dangerous course. Alot of kids would line up wanting to do it just so they could play with fire. Again this is my opinion but I think it would be a pretty accurate one that most kids wouldnt take the class to be a firefighter but just so they could take it as a fun class to get away from the other classes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts" - Winston Churchill |
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| Posted 6 months ago Firefighting/rescue work is all I ever wanted to do . If there had been a program in high school for that I would have taken it . I was in the fire explorers program but not through the school system . It was much like k5kowboy , in that we did a lot more at the time, then you can do now. As a parent , I can appreciate the limits set now. I did not care for the limits we had at the time . Oh the joys of youthful ignorance ! I knew it all then but as the days have past I now realize that I still have much to learn. I do wish that high school would have made better practical application of what was taught . Now in high school here you can go to college before graduation . I say give them the tools they'll need to prepare them for the real world and a means to make a living in what ever available field they choose. There is much that can be taught without placing them in dangerous situation. |
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| Posted 6 months ago We have had a student FF program for around 10 years. Students go thru the FF academy then come to the station for 1 or 2 class periods a day. They also are allowed to get out of class to respond to calls. This has been the saving grace for our small all volunteer department with very low numbers of daytime responders. |
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| Posted 6 months ago The station I use to volunteer at had some of the High school ff students come to it. We had a blast training with them. I miss doing stuff with them. When the going its tough the tough get going in! |
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| Posted 6 months ago I think something that would change my mind on the subject is if maybe the local fire department or school had some kind of interview process that would weed out the immature kids that wouldnt take the class seriously. How they would do that I have no idea. But as I stated previously, I wouldnt approve of it because 80% of high school students are way too immature for such a dangerous course and most kids would only take it just so they could go and play with fire.
Again this is just my opinion...and seeing as how I just came out of high school last year, I kinda know how most kids are today. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts" - Winston Churchill |
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| Posted 6 months ago Yes I think they should teach them all about fire safety and give them a chance to have hands on what goes on in a fire. Every year the have fire prevention for the little kids, I think the older the student, gets a chance may open the door for Junior Firefighters and maybe they will make a careeer of it. |
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| Posted 6 months ago I believe it should be offered in addition to other courses that students are allowed to take such as ag classes and home-ec |


